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By rexryman on 03/16/2011  20:26

so, me and some friends are thinking to do the full trail this summer in somthing like 7-8 days (yes all 93 of it).
we are all used to hiking 10-13 miles a day, but the more i've read the more rigorus the trail is looking. So can anybody vouch for the dificulty of the "day to day" hiking? (steepness/ trail maintenance).

also  on the topo maps ive seen the trail pushes above the 6000 ft a few times, in mid july does anyone know how much snow will be around the trail, were fine with snow but, im hoping to have a nice summer hike.

thanks in advance




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By Forrest on 03/16/2011  23:54

Sounds like a great trip!  I've only done a few pieces of the trip -- since its a national park, the trail maintenance is great, so I wouldn't be too concerned about that.  I would think that the snow wouldn't be a problem in mid July.  It does change from year to year (I've been in Japan since the beginning of the year, so I have no idea if its a heavy or late snow year in the Northwest), so I would just keep an eye on snow conditions.  If you google "snotel", you can find pretty good information on current snow depths.

I think its totally reasonable for you to pull of the trip.  If you are capabale of doing 10-13 miles per day now, I would think you would be capable of doing a bit more, and managing the more rigourous terrain.  It may be a good idea to plan an extra day, just to have some buffer if you end up going slower. 




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By rexryman on 03/17/2011  20:14

thanks,
im planning on putting in for a permit for 9 days just incase we want to have a lazy day. Cant wait for the summer i'm getting a bit stir crazy with out the sun




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By Forrest on 03/18/2011  05:50

Yeah, winters are always rough.  I generally need to head south this time of year to get a good backpack in.  The Rogue River can be great in March/April!




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By PDXHiker on 03/31/2011  12:31

We're also planning to do the Wonderland Trail this summer, although we're planning to do it over 13 days so we don't have anything longer than a 10 mile day.  We're not as concerned about the distance as the elevation gain each day.   Even with our more conservative schedule, we're looking at several days with around 3000'.  Having spent a lot of time hiking in the Gorge, we know what that kind of elevation gain feels like, and I must admit we're a bit nervous about it. 

If you haven't already seen it, the Wonderland Trail site has a very helpful PDF that shows the trail profile - http://www.nps.gov/mora/planyourvisit/upload/Wonderland%20Trail%20Profile-Longmire.pdf.

I have submitted our permit request and I'm eagerly awaiting the Park Rangers' decision.   Guess they start processing tomorrow!




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By erlall on 04/03/2011  13:27

Quote by: 'rexryman'
so, me and some friends are thinking to do the full trail this summer in somthing like 7-8 days (yes all 93 of it).
we are all used to hiking 10-13 miles a day, but the more i've read the more rigorus the trail is looking. So can anybody vouch for the dificulty of the "day to day" hiking? (steepness/ trail maintenance).

also  on the topo maps ive seen the trail pushes above the 6000 ft a few times, in mid july does anyone know how much snow will be around the trail, were fine with snow but, im hoping to have a nice summer hike.

thanks in advance



I thought the West side of the mountain was the most physically challenging.  It was also the most scerene.




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By RachelP on 04/05/2011  16:36

Has anyone heard back yet about a permit? I know it's still early but I'm eagerly waiting...




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By PDXHiker on 04/06/2011  08:33

Just checked my Visa statement, & my permit fee got charged yesterday (April 5) ... so I guess it's been approved.  EEEEEEKKKK!




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By RachelP on 04/06/2011  08:52

Congratulations. I'm jealous!! I've been checking my credit card statement compulsively but so far no charge :(




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By PDXHiker on 04/08/2011  22:14

I got the hard copy in the mail yesterday, so it's official.

Rachel, have you heard back yet?  I'm curious about how you submitted the request (just in case I do this again -- to maybe figure out if one method works better than others).

- There are only two of us
- I faxed my form in the morning of the 2nd day they were accepting applications
- I said I wouldn't accept other camp sites, but I could shift my itinerary +/- 2 days.  (They did end up shifting us from a Sunday start to a Saturday start).

When are you going?  We're heading out Friday, August 6 from Longmire and will be taking 12 nights/13 days.  We could have shortened the trip by a day, but couldn't decide whether to stick with the traditional route (hubby like having "official" GPS tracks) or go through Spray Park (I like wildflowers & beautiful vistas).  So we're staying two nights at Mowich so we can day hike through Spray Park & then continue on our way along the official trail.




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By joanofarc on 04/09/2011  09:06

Dont let "hard" turn you back!  You will get stronger each day.  The hardest and "less" scenic part of the the hike is the west side - you can almost count on rain.  We started from the north lake (I am spacing the name) - if I did it again start at the lodge at the south part of the park.  Hike clockwise - the first day will be heck but...  that said - its over. 

Anyway, I would not rate this as my "hardest" backpack....  it is just too pretty.  You will feel as though you are walking around a pie crust (ie up and down and up and down) - but - break the day up in such a way that you end on the ups - that seemed to work well for us.  We planned for 10 days but made it in 9 with a very easy 3 mile day in there somewhere...

It could be easily done in 8 days.  Get your permit and go later - the snowpack is prob pretty healty this year. 

My fave side was the east side - esp Panhandle Gap and Indian Heaven I think it was (Its been about 10 years) - the flowers were unfreakinbelievable!

Have fun!




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By RachelP on 04/09/2011  13:18

No - no permit yet, sadly :( I mailed it in around March 19th... tried to fax, but the fax wasn't working and when I called they said it was jammed from so many people faxing and advised me to mail it. I did call to confirm they received it and they had, so I guess I'm just unlucky so far. Still hoping, though!! I applied to go in early August... will keep you posted.




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By PDXHiker on 04/09/2011  16:27

@Rachel - Sorry the permit hasn't come through yet.  I hope you hear from them soon.

@JoanOfArc - "It could be easily done in 8 days."   LOL! Maybe for YOU!  I think we're going to be hard pressed to do the 10 mile days we've planned.     What would you consider more difficult trips?  Curious, so I can put them on my itinerary for future summers!




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By RachelP on 04/11/2011  12:17

Good news - just saw the charge on my credit card so guess I got one. VERY excited!!! :)




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By PDXHiker on 04/12/2011  08:26

Yay! Congrats! 




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By nurse4rocks on 04/13/2011  04:17

I received my permit to start August 5th from Longmire going clockwise over 12 days. Now, I just hope I will be ready for the physical challange. Even more challanging is finding transportation from the airport to the park.   I checked into a rental car- the cheapest , ended  up about  $700, crive to the park and then sit there for 2 weeks and drive back to the airport. Any ideas on transportation from the airport?




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By rexryman on 04/13/2011  22:13

well its lookin like all you you got your permits...i dont think i am going to :(
but oh well change of plans anyway!

im thinking i will go for the "first come permit" in the end of july.

I kinda want to go for like a 10 day by myself... i break from the world!




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By RachelP on 04/14/2011  10:45

I don't have any great ideas about getting there from the airport, unfortunately... I live in Seattle so will just be driving. If I learn of any shuttles, etc. I'll definitely let you know!

Rexryman: sorry no luck so far :( I'll keep my fingers crossed you still hear back, or that you get your first-come first-serve permit!!




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By erlall on 04/14/2011  16:07

Nurse4rocks:

Perhaps an option would be to take a shuttle to the Best Western in Puyallup (those are inexpensive) and then perhaps stay there a night.  Then pay a cab to take you to Rainier.  Definately less than $700......heck, they may even have a connection to a tour company who might be able to take you.

just an option.




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By PDXHiker on 04/15/2011  19:45

Nurse4Rocks - How do you feel about Craigslist?  Maybe you could advertise for a college student in the Seattle area who would pick you up at the airport & drive you to the park for less than a rental? 

Have you checked out the options here:  http://www.visitrainier.com/pg/transportation/Transportation-Options-to-Mt-Rainier-National-Park?  Maybe the park staff have a suggestion?  Finally, you may try posting on lots & lots of sites to see if anyone else from the Seattle area is going up the same time you are.  Good luck!

Rachel - What's your start date?

Rexryman - I wouldn't give up hope yet.  Their web site says it takes six weeks to process the permits.




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By RachelP on 04/19/2011  21:25

August 2nd... headed clockwise from Frying Creek Trailhead.... we're doing it in a nice slow 14 days since it will be me, my husband, and my mom. I can't WAIT!! How'd your itinerary look?




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By jgoss4 on 04/20/2011  13:18

I still have not recieved my permit that I sent in on March 15. Should I be worried? It was for July 24-August 2




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By PDXHiker on 04/20/2011  19:36

jgoss4 - They say it can take six weeks to process all the applications, so I guess I wouldn't get too worried about it until May 1.  Good luck!

Rachel - Yay! Congrats! 

Our permit says:

8/6: Longmire to Devil's Dream
8/7: D.Dream to S. Puyallup
8/8: S. Puyallup to Klapatche
8/9: Klapatche to Golden Lake
8/10: Golden Lakes to Mowich
8/11: Day hike to Spray Park
8/12: Mowich to Dick Creek
8/13: Dick Creek to Granite Creek
8/14: Granite Creek to White River
8/15: White River to Summerland
8/16: Summerland to Indian Bar
8/17: Indian Bar to Maple Creek
8/18: Maple Creek to Longmire

Will our paths cross at all?




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By RachelP on 04/21/2011  12:17

Ironically, we're basically going to be shadowing you and arriving at each of your camps one day after you! So, unless you have a very late morning and we have a very fast day (unlikely) I don't think our paths will cross. Too bad :( Looks like you have a great itinerary, though. We're planning to do the Spray Park piece too.




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By D-Money on 04/24/2011  13:27

Got mine a couple of weeks back, and cant wait to go. Gunna be leaving out on 8/30 for 11 days starting out at Longmire with a couple of friends. It's our first time to the WT and I the excitment is killing me. cant wait to hear from you all on how the trip went.




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By jgoss4 on 05/08/2011  17:52

Finally got an itenerary. My first one was denied, so I made a second one and left a big gap of desired start time so they could find something that would work.

7/18-Paul Peak Trail head to Golden Lakes Camp
7/19-Klapatche Park Camp
7/20-Devil's Dream Camp
7/21-Paradise River Camp
7/22-Maple Creek Camp (wanted Nickel Creek, but got this instead)
7/23-Summerland Camp (Long day from maple creek to summerland)
7/24-Sunrise Walk in camp
7/25-Mystic Camp
7/26-Carbon River Camp
7/27-Paul Peak Trail head, exit




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By PDXHiker on 05/09/2011  08:33

Congrats!  Wow, your dates are early.  I'll be very eager to hear your trail report when you get back.  What a year, huh?  It's making training darned difficult.




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By jgoss4 on 05/11/2011  20:02

Yeah, last year I did the entire west side of the mountain (mowich to Longmire) from July 12-14 and battled with a ton of snow. It made it difficult, especially with taking such big milage each day. One thing I really did enjoy was the lack of people. The entire first day we didn't come across one person. The rest of the trip we saw a few, but the majority were in the Longmire/Paradise area.

I was hoping to avoid that snow this year, but looks like I won't. Ohwell, it makes it interesting.

And yes, training sucks so far. haha. I have just been going to the gym and hitting the treadmill. Its better than nothing I guess.




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By thansen on 05/17/2011  10:16

You can hike this trail in 5-6 days if you are VERY fit and willing to be on the trail most of the day.  I'm not big on hanging around camp and feel much better just putting on miles. I completed 3 legs (approx 56 miles) in 3 days and have also done several one-way 16-18 mile days (w/day pack only).  Besides fitness level and snow the only other slow-down factors are weather (rain) and pack weight.  The snow is quite deep this year so you may encounter a lot of snow still in mid-July, this is what happened to us a couple years ago ('08 I think) and we ended up scrapping our plans for a year with less snow and pushing our hike to the end of July. 




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By acahay on 06/12/2011  10:09

 New here, but I too am planning to hike this marvelous trail. We are starting on Ag. 12th. We are very excited about the trek.

Now I have a question to you all about rain gear. I am looking for a good rain jacket and pants that is waterproof, breathable, and windproof. Any suggestion?




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